Saturday, April 08, 2006
NAA Guardian
BUY CHEAP WIRE SPRINGS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET, WHAT IS YOUR LIFE WORTH ?? ONLY YOU CAN PUT A PRICE ON IT.
Message J2342 Message Board MemberUsername: J2342Post Number: 9Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 08:07 pm:
I am bummed my trigger spring broke , now my gun is not old under 1k rounds no corrosives sprayed down into it or anything like that (i spray cleaned firing pin with slide off gun and sprayed to reoil) but if that effected a spring should be the firing pin spring.
I read the boards and one review at least where people had the same experience, early failure of this spring even at times with a brand new gun. I could have sent it back,and get NAA to put in a new spring, but I ordered up some spare parts before it broke ( I like having parts and things before i need them or they become hard or impossible to get) so luckily i was covered.
I can't say the mechanism or failure gives me confidence, the draw bar looks pretty secure as does everything, except this return spring, but broke is broke and at 1k rounds at most? I can't say it instills any confidence. had it broken at a place that was possibly pinched or was likely to have been at some point I would shrug it off, but it broke near the back of the magazine.
which might get hit by the magazine being installed, but there is no way around that and i don't slam or force magazines. i looked over my mags and don't feel any burrs that might have cut into the spring. I am wondering if someone has found a better spring material or came up with a better way all together?
I bought reportedly NIB and by the looks of it I think that is true? possibly someone glass beaded (or what ever the finish is there?) the slide area and top and it was not new? my gun store seems ok, I am sure by law they can't tell you NIB if its used, but I learned for every rule ,someone finds a way around it or doesn't obey it.
i recently bought the pocket slipper and 10 round mag and bought some spare parts. I was thinking of having the trigger done, if I cant find a real solution I am satisfied with.
I shall soon have a post offering the pocket slipper and everything for sale at a pretty reasonable price or sell it locally or something like that. I hear keltec and the other true pocket guns are less reliable.
rohrburg sounds expensive and with maybe weaknesses of its own. well maybe its all a opputunity? someone here will tell me a better way and it will be bullet proof I hear the newer parts have a ground tranfer bar.
(so your trigger spring will not get caught and weakened? ) mine is a AD serial number and i am hoping maybe there was just a bad batch of springs or that since then they have upgraded the spring in some way? it looks like regular music wire of about .030 dia?
well please let me if you have had any similar experiences and how did you get it solved, replacing and praying it a abberitition is well what i allready did, but till I get an idea of why, I will never feel real confident in it
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I PERSONALLY TRIED TO GET NAA TO BUY A PREMIUM WIRE SPRING FOR ALL THEIR GUARDIANS BUT THEY REFUSED SO NOW THEY PAY THE PRICE AND RISK YOUR LIFE.
CONTACT www.ismi-gunsprings.com 800 773 1940
Do you really think these companies care about you or their profit margin. Its a sad story but they knew better from day 1 in my opinion. The quicker the owner stops listening to the bean counters that know nothing the quicker he will not only make a better Guardian and instill confidence in his semi auto but will stop getting new guns back for warranty repair. He has in my opinion some very inferior workers. Hes just giving his profit to UPS and FED EX. I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS THAT ARE SO GREEDY.
THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY.
Erh Message Board Member Username: Erh Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 02:04 pm:
I'll start with the good stuff... "It looks truly beautiful." I had a standard (Not Big) XS Dot tritium set installed with a scalloped slide, all apointments polished, front & rear strap stippled, and a set of Cocobolo checkered grips installed. (I'm not sure I like the new grips; they make my .380 almost as thick as a 2x4..!, But Man Do They Look Good..!; same story w/ the Cocobolo's on my G.32acp..)
Now the not so good: "I got it back without the e-clip installed behind the grip panel...(Ughh!!) Anyway, after a quick phone call Jennifer @ NAA overnighted me a new eclip w/ a couple of spares to boot. It works well (100 rounds of "Silvertips" w/ out a snag. My G.380acp now has a distinct "Gravely spot, or notch" about 1/2 way through an average trigger squeeze;
I'm really bummed out about that because my G.32acp came back from Carl @ NAA with a simply great trigger, and as I've said "My customized G.380acp did not come back w/ a nicer trigger;
it's actually worse than it was before I sent it in."
The one good thing I can say in that regard is that I'm relatively certain that when I give them a call next week to explain, they will undoubtedly offer to get it right the 2nd time...!!??
Eric Howland Savannah, GA.
Message J2342 Message Board MemberUsername: J2342Post Number: 9Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 08:07 pm:
I am bummed my trigger spring broke , now my gun is not old under 1k rounds no corrosives sprayed down into it or anything like that (i spray cleaned firing pin with slide off gun and sprayed to reoil) but if that effected a spring should be the firing pin spring.
I read the boards and one review at least where people had the same experience, early failure of this spring even at times with a brand new gun. I could have sent it back,and get NAA to put in a new spring, but I ordered up some spare parts before it broke ( I like having parts and things before i need them or they become hard or impossible to get) so luckily i was covered.
I can't say the mechanism or failure gives me confidence, the draw bar looks pretty secure as does everything, except this return spring, but broke is broke and at 1k rounds at most? I can't say it instills any confidence. had it broken at a place that was possibly pinched or was likely to have been at some point I would shrug it off, but it broke near the back of the magazine.
which might get hit by the magazine being installed, but there is no way around that and i don't slam or force magazines. i looked over my mags and don't feel any burrs that might have cut into the spring. I am wondering if someone has found a better spring material or came up with a better way all together?
I bought reportedly NIB and by the looks of it I think that is true? possibly someone glass beaded (or what ever the finish is there?) the slide area and top and it was not new? my gun store seems ok, I am sure by law they can't tell you NIB if its used, but I learned for every rule ,someone finds a way around it or doesn't obey it.
i recently bought the pocket slipper and 10 round mag and bought some spare parts. I was thinking of having the trigger done, if I cant find a real solution I am satisfied with.
I shall soon have a post offering the pocket slipper and everything for sale at a pretty reasonable price or sell it locally or something like that. I hear keltec and the other true pocket guns are less reliable.
rohrburg sounds expensive and with maybe weaknesses of its own. well maybe its all a opputunity? someone here will tell me a better way and it will be bullet proof I hear the newer parts have a ground tranfer bar.
(so your trigger spring will not get caught and weakened? ) mine is a AD serial number and i am hoping maybe there was just a bad batch of springs or that since then they have upgraded the spring in some way? it looks like regular music wire of about .030 dia?
well please let me if you have had any similar experiences and how did you get it solved, replacing and praying it a abberitition is well what i allready did, but till I get an idea of why, I will never feel real confident in it
.................................................................................................................
I PERSONALLY TRIED TO GET NAA TO BUY A PREMIUM WIRE SPRING FOR ALL THEIR GUARDIANS BUT THEY REFUSED SO NOW THEY PAY THE PRICE AND RISK YOUR LIFE.
CONTACT www.ismi-gunsprings.com 800 773 1940
Do you really think these companies care about you or their profit margin. Its a sad story but they knew better from day 1 in my opinion. The quicker the owner stops listening to the bean counters that know nothing the quicker he will not only make a better Guardian and instill confidence in his semi auto but will stop getting new guns back for warranty repair. He has in my opinion some very inferior workers. Hes just giving his profit to UPS and FED EX. I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS THAT ARE SO GREEDY.
THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY.
Erh Message Board Member Username: Erh Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 02:04 pm:
I'll start with the good stuff... "It looks truly beautiful." I had a standard (Not Big) XS Dot tritium set installed with a scalloped slide, all apointments polished, front & rear strap stippled, and a set of Cocobolo checkered grips installed. (I'm not sure I like the new grips; they make my .380 almost as thick as a 2x4..!, But Man Do They Look Good..!; same story w/ the Cocobolo's on my G.32acp..)
Now the not so good: "I got it back without the e-clip installed behind the grip panel...(Ughh!!) Anyway, after a quick phone call Jennifer @ NAA overnighted me a new eclip w/ a couple of spares to boot. It works well (100 rounds of "Silvertips" w/ out a snag. My G.380acp now has a distinct "Gravely spot, or notch" about 1/2 way through an average trigger squeeze;
I'm really bummed out about that because my G.32acp came back from Carl @ NAA with a simply great trigger, and as I've said "My customized G.380acp did not come back w/ a nicer trigger;
it's actually worse than it was before I sent it in."
The one good thing I can say in that regard is that I'm relatively certain that when I give them a call next week to explain, they will undoubtedly offer to get it right the 2nd time...!!??
Eric Howland Savannah, GA.
GUN TEST MAGAZINE
Volume 18• Number 4 • April 2006A Trio of Pocket .380 ACPs: Steer Clear of NAA’s Guardian
Instead, depending on your needs, pick the slightly larger but fully functional Beretta Cheetah. Also, we loved aspects of S&W’s PPK, but it didn’t work during some parts of our test.
In a life-threatening situation any firearm is better than none, and a small, pocket-size gun is often more likely to be carried than anything bigger. The Beretta 85 FS Cheetah ($575, above) was a busy-looking handful, but all the controls worked well.Whether or not the .380 ACP cartridge is your cup of tea, it exists in large numbers of available handguns today.
Some of today’s most modern ammunition make this cartridge a better one than it was, say, 30 years ago, but we would still not consider it for a main defensive weapon because we feel there are better caliber choices. Even the .45 ACP can be had in small packages.
We decided to look at a few of the .380 pocket pistols available, never mind the relative worth of the cartridge. After all, in a life-threatening situation any firearm is better than none, and a small, pocket-size gun is often more likely to be carried than anything bigger. We got a PPK Walther ($543), no...
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